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obama cutting to the heart of his decision to openly back marriage equality. been a pretty pivotal year in the long and emotional battle over same-sex unions and this day could be quite a pivotal day. because today the supreme court, the ultimate decider of rights and rules in america, is deciding whether it is finally time to take a stand on gender-based marriage law. and just how big a stand to take. the country, of course, is divided. right now 30 states have their own constitutional bans on same-sex marriage. but nine states plus the district of columbia allow men to marry men and women to marry women. that number grew by three alone just this month. those were voter referendums during the election. nationwide exit polls show slightly more voters than not say same-sex marriages should be legal. you see it there. 49% say yes. 46% say no. which in theory has absolutely no bearing essentially on anything that the high court decides, or does it? we may not actually even find out until monday whether the justices will decide to take the plunge or not into this latest series of cases, and
and say the obama administration's proposed cuts to entitlements don't go far enough. >> i think we're going over the cliff. it's pretty clear to me they have made a political calculation. this offer doesn't remotely deal with entitlement reform in a way to save medicare and medicaid and social security from bankruptcy. >> reporter: if a deal is not reached, taxes go up and spending will be clashed. defense contractors are sending the message to lawmakers those cuts would damage the military industry and weaken national security. the ceo of task, a company that develops aviation systems and software for intelligence agencies: >> over 50% of the defense budget is procuring services and services are underscored by jobs. so of course there will be job loss if you have cuts. >> reporter: the cliff hits at the end of the year. but congressional leaders say a compromise needs to be figured out in the next couple of weeks so lawmakers have enough time to debate and pass it. in washington, danielle nottingham, cbs 5. >>> so if democrats and republicans do not reach a deal, the tax policy c
through tax reform. they go through spending cuts. none of the spending cuts in obama's plan. are we so far apart we will go up or is there a meeting ground? 'canes is smart of the republicans. last week, geithner to the treasury secretary and laughed at. across the board, left and right commentators said i think president obama is overplaying the hand here. they have a plan to get him what he campaigned on and said he wanted. they called it smart. we had the simpson bowl plan. deficit reduction plan how to get it back on track. they are proposing the plan that is a democrat version of the -- democrat counterpart to simpson. very smart. this offer was serious. the white house even though they put out a statement saying blah, blah, not good enough. call it a republican letter -- >> eric: this is the republican letter does not meet the test of balance. said our way or the highway from the white house. >> bob: reform ideas are interesting and should be on the table. the rest is bull. they don't cut anything out of defense. number one. number two, talk about the tax reform that will get to
split right down the metal on the political ppll on how they want obama to cut the deficit. 41 percent responded in favor of spending cuts. 41 percent of respondents saying they favor tax increases. the white house says it will offer a counterproposal to house speaker proposal. saying that unless he accepts tax increases on the rich the president is willing to go over the cliff. let's get straight to the politics of these developments and the rhetoric and possible economic impact of failure to resolve the issues. joining as, former special assistant to president george w. bush, a veteran political consultants and republican pollster. let's start, if i may, with you. do you think both sides right now are seriously ready to go over the cliff? >> i think the president is very ready because they are reading into this election last month a mandate that i simply don't see. the president got 15 million americans to vote against him which fail to produce any type of meaningful budget in his democratic controlled senate. we are at the disco club because of the president's inability to ever a si
addresses the fiscal cliff and middle- class tax cuts. president obama talked about the so-called fiscal cliff and his proposal to end of the bush tax cuts on those earning more than two and a $50,000. ed -- more than $250,000. ["hail to the chief" plays] please have a seat. have a seat. relax for a second. it is good to see all of you. hello. it is good to be back in pennsylvania. it is good to be right here. i want to thank michael, robert, and the investor, joel glickman for hosting me today and giving me a great tour. stand up so everybody can see you, guys. [cheers and applause] there you go. we have a couple of outstanding members of congress here. [cheers and applause] now, i just finished getting a tour of the workshop. i have to say it makes me wish that joel invented this stuff sooner when i was a kid. back then, you couldn't build a roller coaster out of your erector set. i got a chance to meet some of the folks who have been working around the clock to keep up with the christmas rush. that is a good thing. these guys are santa's extra elves. they manufacture almost 3000 piece
will they tell president obama about the spending cuts and tax increases now just 28 days away? >> we must reign in our out of control spending. >> reporter: republicans have an offer, $800 billion in new taxes, half what the president wanted. $600 billion saved in part by making americans wait until they're 67 to get medicare. plus more cuts totalling $2.2 trillion. but no tax hikes for the wealthy. >> that's just not going to happen. >> reporter: the pentagon could take the biggest hit from president obama told defense experts monday, don't worry. >> even as we make very tough fiscal choices, we're going to keep investing in these programs. >> reporter: he went online on youtube and twitter explaining why he thinks the rich should pay more. going over the fiscal cliff could cost america jobs. >> we're only expanding 2% right now. it needs to be considerably higher to bring more people off unemployment. >> reporter: for the jobless, president obama is asking congress for millions more. and more on the president's plan which will pitch to governors today largely spares social security and medica
sandy politicians making big promises, president obama promising to cut the red tape. now have they all forgotten about the victims? we're back with our political panel. john, you can see the frustration, you know. the man blasting president obama about his vacation to hawaii, just said he doesn't have electricity. you know, what about it? >> it's perfectly understandable and justified. i mean, you have the entire national media swoop in for a story where president obama and chris christie shook hands and that was supposed to be his great heartwarming moment where they were going to come together to fix things. now a month later there are real problems here and government just simply hasn't been working for a lot of these people. you have stories where there are perfectlily got fema trailers sitting in pennsylvania when they could be put to use in new york or new jersey. >> greta: why aren't they there? >> no one knows. i don't know. you hear people telling stories about filling out forms, people who are approved to use the money to stay at a marriott but not a comfort inn. there are so
automatic tax hikes and spending cuts. president obama offered his optimism at an event with middle-class americans who'd be hit by any tax increase. >> i'm glad to see-- if you've been reading the papers lately-- - that more and more republicans in congress seem to be agreeing with thiidea that we should have a balanced approach. so if both parties agree we should not raise taxes on middle class families, let's begin our work with where we agree. >> brown: one such lawmaker is republican house member tom cole of oklahoma. the journal "politico" reported he's urging colleagues to extend middle class tax cuts but allow tax rates for top earners to rise for now. that's what the president wants, but republican leaders have called for raising revenues by closing loopholes and capping deductions. and this morning, house speaker john boehner said he'd reinforced that position to congressman cole. >> you're not going to grow the economy if you raise tax rates on the top two rates. it'll hurt small businesses, it'll hurt our economy, it's why it's not the right approach. we're willing to pu
. with real cuts. obama was supposed to gave speech where he would respond with a counter offer. what did he do? he gave a speech with ryan on the front row. he called the ryan proposal un-american, insulted him. offered nothing and ran on mediscare in the next 18 mont months. they expect the republicans will do this again? republicans will walk on this. i think they have leverage. yes, for congressional democrats it will help them in the future if the republicans absorb the blame because we will have a recession. obama is not running again unlike the congressional democrats. he is going to have a recession. 90% unemployment, 2 million more unemployed. second term that will be a ruin. that is not a good proposition if you are barack obama. >> bret: before you respond to that, a.b., there is one thing that speaker boehner talked about today, leverage wise. that is tying the debt ceiling limit to this entire deal. and the white house reacting. >> there is a lot of things i wanted in my life, but almost all of them had a price tag attached to them. if we talk about the debt limit, there will be
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it until after all the tax cuts expire. then obama, you know, is not necessarily bound by just that demand. he could come and ask to free up more revenue. as dan was saying, i think they hope that something in the market will make the democrats move quickly but if they don't that just suggests that they don't have it within themselves as a party to vote affirmatively do so something. >> eliot: there is one other component that could create fear and tank the market, and that's the debt ceiling. that's the place where john boehner is saying there is an extra price for that. i'm going to extort an extra piece of this if you want me to raise the debt ceiling and don't fall into that bear trap once against we hope. that's something that we'll talk about. we'll take a break and my guests will stay with me. we'll talk about the meet and potatoes of it and the debt sealing. we'll be right back. mints called mints? answer in a moment. fruit just got cooler. fruit on one side, cool on the other. ice breakers duo. a fruity, cool way to break the ice. brought to you by ice breakers mints. break the i
. well, 28 days to go until tax cuts expire for most americans if president obama and congress can't cut a deal to keep us from going off the fiscal cliff. the president says the latest republic offer is out of balance because it extends tax cuts on income of above $250,000. g.o.p. leaders claim they can raise revenue without raising rates by closing loopholes and limiting deductions. but the white house says it's about the rates. ed henry is at the white house tonight. the president claims the republic math does not add up. >> that's right, shep. he met with the nation's governors today. he said behind closed doors that there is a lot at stake not just for the national economy but state by state. some of their budgets could take a major hit if, in fact, the nation goes off the so-called fiscal cliff. his spokesman jay carney was even tougher in going after speaker john boehner's latest proposal in saying it simply doesn't add up. >> we don't know who pays. we don't know what we're talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenues. it's magic beans and fairy dust. >> the
bag, he found a .22- caliber handgun. the gun was not loaded. >>> president obama took the fiscal cliff to virginia today. he visited a home in fall's church to talk with one family about how ending the bush-era tax cuts for the middle class would affect them. the high school teacher tiffany santana shares the house with her parents, her husband and her son. she recently contacted the white house about how paying $2,200 more in taxes would hurt them financially. >> if this family has a couple of thousand dollars left to spend, that translates into $200 billion of less consumer spending next year and that is bad for businesses large and small. >> president obama said that he supports keeping the bush-era tax cuts for the middle class but ending them on incomes over $250,000. lawmakers have until january 1st to strike a deal. >>> just a short time ago the national christmas tree was lit. president obama and the first family joined a star-studded cast to help usher in the holiday season. sue palka was there and joins us live tonight from the ellip
that now, president obama said, and he and congress can work out the details of spending cuts later. ( applause ) before a crowd of supporters, the white house invited from the mid-atlantic region, president obama put congressional republicans on notice. >> it's too important for washington to screw this up. now is the time for us to work on what we all agreed to, which is lets keep middle class taxes low. that's what our economy needs. that's what the american people deserve. gd if we get this part of it right, then a lot of the other issues surrounding deficit reduction in a fair and balanced, responsible way are going to be a whole lot easier. >> reporter: white house officials say mr. obama is not interested in personally meeting with congressional republicans because those meetings did little to resolve the 2010 debt ceiling crisis. but when mr. obama later skipped congressional meetings and campaigned to extend the 2% payroll tax cut and maintain lower student loan interest rates, he won. the president is primarily focused on step one of this process-- winning the middle class
to get worse under obama. republicans are totally over the barrel because all tax cuts, bush tax cuts expire unless they agree to what is being portrayed as tax cuts for the rich. >> sean: boom. >> of course, let me finish the three points. it's not the rich. it's people who are currently engaged in making money or tax breaks as they say. for the rich i'd be more in favor of tax hikes on the rich. that's warren buffett and john kerry and diane feinstein. this is a tax on people desperately trying to become rich but the truly wish don't want them to. finally, the most important point is in two years we've got to take back the senate. >> sean: i don't want to talk about the election. >> the republicans need to concentrate on making sure this economy gets blamed on obama. there are things they can do like propose tax cuts or rather tax hikes for the truly rich, ie, warren buffett. no more state and low tax deductions. cut out that hollywood foin accounting. let's go after the 1% of the 1%. forget the 1% of income earners. >> sean: there's a lot of good ideas there. >> thank you. >> sean:
republicans for the last two years hasn't passed it. >> sean: how about extending the bush tax cuts for everybody? then if the fiscal cliff is hit, then the persons that will be hit are president obama and harry reid. >> every single house republican needs to be involved in communication. if they passed a bill that extended the tax cuts for everybody and every single one of them went on local tv and local radio and said we have now passed a middle class tax extension, all the president has to do is sign it, you would have a totally different debate going on the next day. >> sean: this is what i feel is missing. the discussion, and as best i could, i'm trying to explain it, about conservative prime princi, about what's al at stake, and ai hear is or i sense a fear they don't want to go over the cliff and i sense a fear on the pr front and just even the president with the whole language of the debate seems like a defeat to me. >> i don't understand why they haven't said from day one this is the path to a balanced budget that has to involve entitlement reform and spending reform. i wen
this warning to republicans. amid reports they may accept mr. obama's plan to extend tax cuts for most americans while allowing them to go up for the richest, and start the fight all over again during debt limit talks early next year. >> that is a bad strategy for america. it is a bad strategy for your businesses. and it is not a game that i will play. >> reporter: and brian, tonight, the white house is preparing in case the country does go over that fiscal cliff, budget officials have asked all federal agencies for information that they need in case of possible plans in case of those automatic spending cuts that could go in place in just 27 days. >> peter alexander at the white house for us tonight. thank you. >>> and up next, the loss today of a legend in american music. i put away money. i was 21, so i said, "hmm, i want to retire at 55." and before you know it, i'm 58 years old. time went by very fast. it goes by too, too fast. ♪ but i would do it again in a heartbeat. [ laughs ] ♪ ♪ i took my son fishing every year. we had a great spot, not easy to find, but worth it. but wi
obama offered up cuts in the -- cuts in the tax increases that helped bring the deficit in the first place but he's already clocked out around $2 trillion in spending cuts and interest decreases over the next ten years. now, as we know, the republicans have run and beaten the democrats on this idea that they're going to cut things, that they're going to find waste and eliminate it. well guys, now is your chance! step up to the microphone. what exactly are the cuts? it is funny. we're not hearing anything from these guys after they talked about it for so long. >> stephanie: exactly. that's what the white house is saying. the ball is in the republican's court. we're four weeks from the slope hill ramp. boehner -- republicans have a plan for providing as much as $800 billion in new government revenue over the next decade and we considered the elimination of tax deductions on high-income earners but when pressed for details, he declined to say. >> we've got a plan but i can't explain it to you because you wo
the capital gains tax rate is cut, revenues soar as they did under bill clinton. in fact, president obama was asked this in a tv interview during the campaign and he said i know that's what the numbers show but i still want to raise the top rates. if ever there's a supply side tax rates where lower rates produce higher rates it's capital gains. >> that's right. people start taking gains and hold on to what they have. that means capital is not put to work. in the early 1990s the economy was starting to get a real head of steam. not enough to save george h.w. bush but that slowed in '93 and '94. when republicans came in, cut spending, killed hilary care and alan greenspan had a sensible monetary policy, the economy started to recover and then clinton got the religion, he cut capital gains. >> steve is giving your man all these kudos and you're not taking them. >> two things first, larry, didn't president reagan raise the capital gains tax rate? >> in a tax reform plan he did. >> exactly. that's my point. was that class warfare when he did that? was that class warfare when he did that. >> re
obama. the different in dollars. the president wants $800 billion more in tax increases. the republicans want approximately more a trillion dollars more spending cuts. that's the difference between the two sides just in dollar terms. there is a difference between the two sides in terms of principle. the principle centers on higher tax rates, yes or no. speaker boehner many latest offer is raise $800 billion mostly from the wealthy by limiting deductions. the president says, no, don't want that. we want to tax the rich with higher tax rates on the rich. we have a dollar difference, a difference in principle. martha: we are hung up on ideology here. if you can get the money one way and it produces a long lasting change to the tax code which both sides say they want, what seems to be the problem? >> reporter: it's ideology. the president one the elect, he says he won it on taxing the rich. he want to win the debate. whether it's the best solutioner to the economy is an entirely different story. this is a political and ideological argument and we'll see who wins. martha: there is a couple wa
. >> president obama also proposed a $16 billion of spending cuts. >> i'm just flabbergasted. i looked at him and said you can't be serious. >> the house speaker says republicans put increased revenues including efforts to close tax loopholes and put the tax cuts on the table instead of raising tax rates for anyone. >> if there's another way to get income from upper income americans that doesn't hurt our economy, then why wouldn't we consider it. >> those are publicly unchanged deadlines. whether political theater or political reality, there's more to going over the fiscal cliff far beyond hypothetical. >> i think we're going over the clif. >> if they are going to force higher rates on virtually all americans because they're unwilling to let tax rates go up on 2% of americans, then that's the choice we have to make. >> emily joins us live from washington and so ellie, did anyone on any of the talk shows offer something resembling a bipartisan deal, or was effort just negativity? >> when the weekend began, an official who's very familiar with this -- as we saw on the talk shows today, there's
. president obama wants to end tax cuts for americans making more than 250-thousand dollars a year. the bottom line -- lawmakers made no progress today on an agreement. >> mitt romney has a job again.. he's returning to the board of directors at marriott international hotel.... he's been on the board twice before - but left to run for political office. romney has kept a low profile since the election - spending his time with his family at their california home. the romney and marriott families are close -- in fact - willard mitt romney was named after the hotel's founder -- j. willard marriott... >> heavy fighting between rebel and government forces in syria. now there is concern that syria could plan on using chemical weapons against the rebels. obama is warmin mornin-that it should not happening. >> the use of chemical weapons. is and is totally unacceptable. and if you make the tragic mistake of using these weapons it there will be consequences and you will be held accountable >> the united nations is withdrawing its international staff from syria because of the obvious security problems.
through spending cuts, and while president obama would not answer questions about the counterproposal -- >> no deal better than a bad deal, sir? >> thank you. >> reporter: -- a senior white house official assailed it as a step backwards saying if republicans do not agree to some higher rates for wealthier taxpayers, the nation will go over the cliff and the american people will hold the republicans responsible. wall street remains optimistic a deal will be struck, so the lack of progress has not yet resulted in a market plunge, but some economists estimate that because of the uncertainty posed by the fiscal cliff, at least 200,000 fewer jobs have been created this year. and, diane, the official deadline for the fiscal cliff is december 31st at midnight when the ball drops in times square, but there's actually another deadline. the house of representatives is scheduled to go on winter break a week from friday, so really there are only 11 days to work out a plan as of now, diane. >> talk about the clock ticking down. thanks so much, jake. >>> and, of course, the president also spoke out
the people, even with the budget cut that president obama asked for of 400, almost $485 billion in 2011, even with the cuts in the army that that would have involved, the army would have still been roughly 30 or 40,000 troops bigger than it was when i became secretary in december of 2006. because i increased the size of the army by 65,000 in 2007, and then gave them an additional temporary increels of 2000 in 2008, or in 2010, rather, increels of 200,000, so i worry we think the answer is always go to be high tech, because it is cleaner, it is -- it dictates a different kind of war than we fought in iraq and afghanistan and i hope those are the kind of wars, if we have to fight, that that is what we don't have to go through what we went through in iraq and afghanistan, but i remember .. one of my favorite quotes is from general joe still well, from world war two, who basically said how a war starts, it always ends in mud. >> rose: ground forces fighting each other. >> and so you just don't know .. and because you don't know, you need to preserve flexibility. >> rose: you can't occupy with mac
. president obama and house speaker john boehner spoke on the phone about the situation yesterday. among the major sticking points is republican support for continuing tax cuts for the wealthiest americans, something mr. obama disagrees with. >> we could probably solve this in about a week. it's not that tough. but we need that conceptual breakthrough that says we need a balanced plan. that's what's best for the economy. that's what the american people voted for. that's how we're going to get it done. >> mr. obama's treasury secretary, tim geithner, went a step further, saying that the president would allow the nation to go over the fiscal cliff at the end of the year, if republicans don't agree to raise taxes on the wealthy. >>> and maybe abraham lincoln can help the fiscal cliff negotiations. harry reid believes so. the senate will get inspiration when reid hosts a clescreening the spielberg movie. >> whatever helps to get things moving, right? >>> hundreds of same-sex couples in washington state lined up overnight to get a marriage license now that they can legally wed. the county cle
of a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff by christmas. president obama says he would like congress to pass a bill even sooner to extend tax cuts for the middle class families. and he invited some of those middle class americans to the white house today to help make his case. >> i have got a pen. [ laughter ] i'm ready to sign it. [ applause ] so, my point here today is is to say let's approach this problem with the middle class in mind. the folks who are behind me and the millions of people all across the country who they represent. >> shepard: well, republicans are saying they need some spending cuts. that they will also have to be part of the deal. and they are accusing the president of campaigning instead of negotiating. >> i mean, every week he spends campaigning for his ideas is a week that we are not solving the problem. it's completely counter productive. the election is over. he won. congratulations. and we have got a hard deadline here, however, and it's still he he is still out on the campaign trail, kind of celebrating. >> shepard: if the president and congress cannot cu
't the better alternative which is to see all the tax cuts he e s expire? >> how will he pass the massive obama tax cut without the house? >> i'm assuming they'd want to have a big tax cut, right? >> no. >> they would sit on their hands post-january 1st and say nothing? >> do you think republicans are so stupid in the house they don't see that move coming and say, you know what? you go ahead and you try to pass your tax cut through harry reid's senate, and we'll pass our tax cut through the house. and good luck. >> so they would just rather have everyone's tax -- i'm shock that that would be the end result. >> harry reid would rather have it his way or nobody's way? >> no, i'm saying you can negotiate in these flex three weeks about this package of tax cuts. >> i don't mean this to be directed towards you -- >> but here it comes. >> -- no, i'm just saying generally, there is such an arrogance in the media since the president won. they think that these house republicans are -- >> have nothing to say. >> -- have absolutely nothing to say. >> i do agree with that. or nothing of value. >> they act
? they attack him. for the entire campaign all we heard about was how obama wanted to cut medicare. so which is it? i it he cut too much or he doesn't cut anything? and where is there offer? if they say they are the party of cutting spending stop talking about the democrats, make an offer. >> mitch mcconnell is out there every single day saying these are the entitlement changes that i think make sense and would get us to a deal. raising the retirement age, dealing with change the inflation formula so the programs aren't spending so much out over time. if president obama is interested in reforming entitlements which he says he is but he never specifies what it would be. all he has to do is call up mitch mcconnell and say i think these are good ideas, let's sit down and they would happen. republicans would take those immediately. >> that's how you think republicans should lead, they should wait for a call from the president? not go on tv but make an actual offer? >> specific changes on entitlements. if the president is in favor of changing entitlements, all he has to do is say i agree these ar
cuts and tax hikes. house republicans and president obama need to strike a deal on reducing the national debt. they have soundly rejected a white house offer that included $1.6 trillion in revenue, $400 billion in medicare and other entitlement savings, as well as a permanent increase in the debt limit among other things. so far, the rhetoric has not softened. treasury secretary tim geithner arriving on capitol hill for high level talks, most notably with house speaker john boehner. >> good morning, everyone. >> how did it go? just listen. >> despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious. about real spending cuts. >> a much gloomier assessment from the initial prethanksgiving huddle at the white house. boehner described his meeting with geithner as frank and direct, the same way he described his phone call with the president the night before. and for the past two weeks there has been no substantive progress. >> most public statements have been optimistic, confident, hopeful. we're all sensing a very different tone f
obama has proposed $4 billion in spending cuts. possibly medicare savings at some point. that was in his budget he proposed but didn't get any support from even some democrats in the senate. but i don't know where the extra money comes from. what are your thoughts about the 400 billion that the president proposed? >> the 400 billion is a constant moving target. the president hasn't nailed down where this money is going to come from for sure. but remember what he told republicans last week? you make the decision on taxes for us and then we will talk about spending in january. it's his way or the highway. the president has done more negotiating a bookstore here in washington, and bite enact hostility virginia, that he is done up done up on the hill. he really wants to make a bargain for the american people, don't look for bargains for yourself. get up to the hill, cobble leaders to the white house. the president had one meeting and promised a meeting that never occurred. if the president was serious about this crisis, which everyone believes it is a crisis, then why isn't he leading? white
're putting revenue on the table as well as entitlement cuts. president obama seems to be indicating balance means getting more from the wealthy and likely to mean raising rates. as he said today and prior to today, the math doesn't add up if you simply close loopholes, cap deductions, do those sorts of things. we're sort of where we always have been. it's where we have been for several years at least when it relates to congress and the president simply not being able to resolve what are fundamental differences. we talked about this before the election, andrea. the election was supposed to tell us something about what the american public wanted. president obama did win the election. you know, an event has happened as part of the many months where the public comes down on this. >> luke russert, john boehner did yesterday come out with their proposal, the house proposal. is that a nonstarter or move the ball a little bit? >> i would say it's a nonstarter for the white house, but it moves the ball a little bit in the sense it gives us an idea of what the house gop conference would be willing to
have to rethink the idea this is obama's idea if we get the huge cut in defense that are unsupportable. >> they are bluffing that they don't care about going over the fiscal cliff. a bluff. it will send economy in a tail spin. >> i don't think so. the president is fine going over the cliff. if you look what he gets and the ability to play hero if the country went over the cliff, the president can remedy two problems that democrats faced for years. he becomes a huge tax cutter. he can restore the defense cut. i think the point that you are making are logical and correct, that is not how it plays out. perception is as much as anything else. you looking at a media eager to blame republicans on this. >> that's why i'm correcting them. >> you are correcting them. >> bret: we have an online show to talk more about this. >> i'm correct them even more. >> bret: you can correct them more in a much more relaxed atmosphere. tune in. next up, look at the front runners for yes, 2016. [ fishing rod casting line, marching band playing ] [ male announcer ] where do you hear that beat?] campbell's heal
will and should walk away from an offer after they had offered to compromise on taxes. obama has said that he wants a balanced approach. where are the cuts? >> grover norquist, president of americans for tax reform, author of the no-tax-hike pledge, but some people ar -- wants everybody to hold the line, but some people are weakening. i things starting to soften up there? >> tom cole, republican from oklahoma, a very astute politician, was it very honestly and openly a politician before he got elected to congress, and said that we ought to take the deal and cut taxes on 98% of people, basically rid ourselves of the fact that most people other than charles c., that the republicans have become the party of billionaires' and millionaires in this debate. that is what happened in the election of 2012. that really is a continuing problem for republicans. that is what you are seeing to it is not just anti-grover norquist movement. it is a realization that they have a political problem. >> a lot of positive signs for a deal. one is that grover norquist, who is kind of a ridiculous figure, it has been
sure they get spending cuts to go with it. president obama said 1.6 in tax increases and spending cuts won't take place until next year. by considering that obama has been open to spending cuts in previous negotiations, and says he's open to it now. and republicans have changed from where they were a year ago when it comes to tax increases, i think it won't take too much to get there, although -- >> that segment and more at our special webpage cliff. now to the senate side of capitol hill for gos on the pending tax hikes and budget cuts. >> there's enough writing on the walls to fill quite a few pages about republicans deciding the right thing to do is protect the middle class. and we need to do it now. it's really important that this holiday season that the middle class is not going to be burdened with the thought that they may hit a $2,200 a year tax increase. there have been positive developments this week. we've had a list of republicans that have decided clearly that the best interest of the american people is to pass the bill we passed here last july, confirming
the so-called fiscal cliff. congressional republicans firing back now amid claims by president obama that some g.o.p. lawmakers are holding middle class tax cuts hostage. and senator orrin hatch accusing the president of pulling a bait and switch. listen. >> the the president said he wants a so-called balanced approach to solve this crisis, but what he proposed this week was a classic bait and switch on the american people, a tax increase double the size of what he campaigned on. billions of dollars in this stimulus spending and unlimited unchecked authority to borrow from the chinese. maybe i missed it, but i don't believe him asking for any of that during the presidential campai campaign. >> jamie: well, the developments are wii by the hour and our steve centanni is covering all of them. good to see you. >> you, too, jamie. one month until the fiscal cliff and appears to be little movement, but a lot of talk back and forth and the president used a campaign style appearance to appeal directly to the american people and pushed for immediate action to extend bush era tax cuts for ever
, but the democrats also want to extend some of the tax cuts that were enacted as part of obama's 2009 stimulus plan. that's where you get that bump up for college tuition and extra child credits and that sort of thing. >> we have another graphic i want to throw up. this is pretty much your upper middle class couple, combined yearly income, 940,000 bucks. under the democrats' plan, you see the numbers, taxes going up about $37,000. much less when you see the republican plan numbers, about $17,000. and then if we go off the cliff, this couple gets hammered because their taxes go up close to $50,000. their best deal, laurie montgomery, coming from the republicans. >> right. exactly. because the republicans don't want to raise their rates where as if we go over the cliff, they lose everything. everyone loses everything if we go over the cliff. and the democrats want those folks to lose their income tax rates anyhow so they get a better deal from the republicans because the republicans are saying, no, no, we want to extend the tax cuts for you too. >> laurie montgomery from the washington post, thank yo
expect those cuts to be made. given the obama victory on november 6th, democrats sense they have somewhat of a mandate to increase taxes on wealthy as we all heard. you hear much less about cutting government spending. to make matters worse, citizens sense government waste, congress, especially senate where most members are committee chairman or subcommittee chairman are inate bias against cutting government spending. this is tom schatz. >> they don't want to give up power, jurisdiction or the money. it is also a lot easier for members of congress to run back home and say i'm fixing this problem by spending money. i'm not fixing the problem by solving the problem, and providing the benefits that people need. >> reporter: cutting spending and attending to constituent needs are often very much in conflict, jenna. jenna: we heard a lot of different strategies, haven't we, doug, the ways to tackle the debt and deficit. is there any alternative that really exists besides cutting government waste and spending? >> reporter: one potential avenue they could take would be to actually fall off the f
john boehner also spoke to president obama on the phone last night. he said he wanted to know where the administration would rein in spending, but that he had heard nothing new. >> i was hopeful we'd see a specific plan for cutting spending. we sought to find out today what the president is really willing to do. listen, i remain hopeful that productive conversations in the days ahead can be had but the white house has to get serious. >> sreenivasan: senate minority leader mitch mcconnell echoed that complaint. in a statement, he said, "today, they took a step backward and significantly closer to the cliff." conversely, white house spokesman jay carney charged republicans failed to provide any details on what they could tolerate in the way of tax increases. >> the president has always engaged in this with real numbers. when you talk about flexibility on revenue, all we've heard so far and it's welcomed, don't get me wrong, but we've heard that yes, revenue on the table but we need more than that. >> sreenivasan: away from the microphones, there were reports of possible movement. an a
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